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Glyn Robbins replies to the discussion

 ·  13 May 2015  ·  7:49

Glyn Robbins answering the discussion after his account of the Bethnal Green and Bow campaign. The questions are not audible on the recording; he names George Binette, Piers Mostyn and Liam Mac Uaid among the contributors.

Socialist Resistance meeting in London  ·  12 May 2015

This is a corrected machine transcript. It began as YouTube's automatic captions, which carry no punctuation and mishear names, and was corrected by hand against the recording: the speaker's own wording is kept, a reading that could not be settled is marked [?], and a passage that could not be recovered at all is marked [inaudible]. Every change is listed at the foot of the page. The recording is the authority; quote from it, not from this.

00:00 Glyn Robbins: A member's point — I guess it relates to some extent. Yeah, that's what [?] were saying. I discovered a thing called Facebook during the course of the campaign, and I saw someone say the other day that for the price of the TUSC candidates standing and losing our deposits — i.e. around the thick end of 60 grand — you could have paid three full-time, however we want to describe them, community organisers, political campaigners.

00:31 And for my money that would have been a far better use of 64 grand than what it was used for. But I think also, to one last point: I don't see standing in elections and campaigning between them as an either/or. I think we can walk and chew gum. And to that extent, certainly from the campaign — I don't think this is a great political insight — the issues that came up again and again were housing and the NHS. Certainly in Tower Hamlets we are going to

01:05 start on Sunday in fact, talking particularly about housing and the issues around what gets called gentrification — a slightly catch-all term, but I think people know what I mean by that — and the fundamental issues around the extent to which working-class communities are going to be able to live in the City of London and other cities. That is a job that we have to get to immediately. Can't afford to wait for the next

01:35 electoral cycle to do it. And likewise, obviously, the NHS. We have to engage with the sometimes slightly weird, I think, campaigns that are trying to do stuff on the NHS, and we're really still not punching our weight on that question, which undoubtedly is of massive importance to people. Coming back to a Tower Hamlets-

02:05 centred position, I'd argue actually that Rabina Khan's campaign has a resonance and importance beyond Tower Hamlets, because it has the potential to stick one on the nose of New Labour. Now, I'm not for a second saying — I never did — about Lutfur Rahman, that whatever has been happening is quite perfect. It's not. There are fair criticisms to be made. But I think it's absolutely imperative

02:36 that we in this room and elsewhere, people who align themselves with however we define the left, recognise the significance of this particular electoral campaign and do everything that we can to ensure that Rabina wins it. And not unrelated to which — this is slightly random now — but I think one of the things that went slightly unnoticed in Tower Hamlets on Thursday was that, having literally not campaigned, I didn't see them at any of the hustings, I didn't see them on the

03:07 street, they might have delivered a leaflet or two but that was it: UKIP came fourth, I think with a vote of around six thousand, I believe from memory. So significantly higher than not only myself but the Liberals and the Greens. So that's a latent reactionary vote, and that is something that we have to challenge. I think to some extent Rabina winning would be a contribution, although not a solution, to that. Obviously, again, a big question:

03:37 where do we go from here in terms of the left? I don't want to get into a sort of counsel of despair around this, but we do have to be realistic. Not the least of the follies of the position that was being taken by some comrades last night was this idea that we, TUSC or whoever, should write to Rabina Khan and set out demands and ask her where she stood on these issues. Well, I don't mind — you send a letter, it doesn't, you know, the cost of a stamp.

04:08 What no one seems to recognise is that we do not have the political capital to be able to make those kinds of demands. And the same applies in relation to any discussion with the Greens. That's something I've been trying to do locally, but you can understand them saying: who are you? Why would we — what benefit would that be to us, the Green Party? I don't think that's a line that we should cut off entirely, but we clearly have to up our game. And I guess what George [Binette] has said

04:39 is what I would say, really: we have to decide pretty quickly whether we're serious about this. One of the things that was said to me during the campaign, by one of the Tower Hamlets First councillors who really was very helpful and supportive of what we were doing — he said, you know, what I have done — I've paraphrased, but for various reasons I guess I did do this — was to move outside of your comfort zone. You cannot carry on being in a room with people who basically agree with you.

05:10 You have to be prepared to have discussions with people who may not. And there is that old cliché: you open the door, the dust comes in. Well, that's true. But unless we're prepared to step outside the comfort zone of the left, then I don't think we are going to make progress. I think we have to focus our campaigns. I mean, it is absurd — I didn't even think we should have stood two candidates in Tower Hamlets. I think we could certainly have got a better vote in either,

05:40 and undoubtedly would have, had we concentrated all our resources and activism on the one constituency. But at a deeper level, I also worry that we're still using the language of the 20th century to try and fight political battles in the 21st, and we have to think about this. I'm not saying we can't talk about Marxism and Trotskyism and all that stuff — I'm not binning the history — but we have to recognise that a lot of young people

06:10 do not identify with it in any way. And so we have to think about how we express these ideas. Use of social media is obviously a part of that, but it's not sufficient. And I agree with what Piers [Mostyn] said: delivering thirty thousand leaflets is not a bad thing, but it's not going to generate a proportionate amount of political support. Having conversations with people face to face, having meetings which may not be brilliantly attended in and of themselves but potentially

06:42 create a ripple effect, is important. And so just to finish: Liam [Mac Uaid] mentioned in a previous meeting — unfortunately he's linked my name to this, which is not something I'm particularly happy about — that next year there is the Mayor of London election coming up. It is a proportional representation, and we have to think now, seriously. And what others have said is right: there were various reasons why my particular campaign didn't have a very long lead-in, and I won't bore you with the details, but they weren't bad

07:12 reasons actually. But if we're serious about that election we have to start planning it now and thinking about it now. And just finally — as I've said, I do find the Left Unity badge quite appealing in some ways, I think others would too — but if I can be a little bit vulgar for my final comment, I think Left Unity has to shit or get off the pot, basically. I think there's been too much prevarication, too much focus on process.

07:43 I understand some of the reasons for that, but we need to move on. Thanks.

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Correction notes (17)
  • **"Tower Hamlets" is rendered four ways**: `"tow hamlets"`, `"a town and century position"` (= "a Tower Hamlets-centred position"), `"tahannas"`, `"into hamlets"`; and "Tower Hamlets First" as `"the town's first councillors"`. Same pattern as in his main talk.
  • **"Rabina Khan" is rendered four ways**: `"being a khan's campaign"`, `"being a winning"`, `"the bean wins it"`, `"ravine khan"`. She stood in the Tower Hamlets mayoral re-run of June 2015 and is named in the SR archive.
  • `"look for ramen"` → "Lutfur Rahman".
  • `"i discovered a swing called facebook"` → "I discovered a thing called Facebook".
  • `"i don't see standing in elections and campaigning between them as either orders ... i think we can and chew gum"` → "as an either/or … I think we can walk and chew gum" — the captions drop the verb and leave the idiom meaningless.
  • `"ukip came forth"` → "UKIP came fourth" — a placing, not a motion, and the point of the sentence.
  • `"this particular intellectual campaign"` → "this particular electoral campaign".
  • `"a sort of council of despair"` → "a counsel of despair".
  • `"delivering thirty thousand illusions"` → "delivering thirty thousand leaflets" — he delivered 30,000 of them in the campaign, as he says in the main talk.
  • `"marxism and trusting all my stuff"` → "Marxism and Trotskyism and all that stuff".
  • `"we're such using the language of the 20th century"` → "we're still using the language of the 20th century".
  • `"there is that old cliche you have the door the dust comes in"` → "you open the door, the dust comes in".
  • `"we should have stood too candace and us"` → "we should have stood two candidates in Tower Hamlets".
  • `"didn't have a very long leading"` → "didn't have a very long lead-in".
  • **`"i think left unity has to or get off the pot"`** → "Left Unity has to **shit** or get off the pot". The captions censor or drop the word; the speaker announces "if I can be a little bit vulgar" immediately before it, so the omission removes the thing he is flagging. Restored per the guide's rule that the speaker's own wording stands.
  • `"that's what players were saying"` → `"that's what [?] were saying"` — a name, not recoverable.
  • "George", "Piers" and "Liam" at [04:08], [06:10] and [06:42] are contributors from the floor; identified as George Binette, Piers Mostyn and Liam Mac Uaid, all three in the SR archive. The spoken first names are kept and the surnames supplied in square brackets.